tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post6404487610268033008..comments2023-07-25T12:52:50.773-05:00Comments on The Complete Annotated VC Andrews Blog-o-Rama: Background Blogging: I Sense a Theme The Fifth Dollangangerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12592567828587739373noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-66753428954474327822014-02-10T22:03:00.425-06:002014-02-10T22:03:00.425-06:00No worries! You came across as curious, not criti...No worries! You came across as curious, not critical. That was more me going "by gum, she's right" than anything else. The Fifth Dollangangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12592567828587739373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-13116277138849652872014-02-10T21:44:29.623-06:002014-02-10T21:44:29.623-06:00Thanks for the very thorough reply.
When I wrote ...Thanks for the very thorough reply.<br /><br />When I wrote my comment I hoped I wasn't coming across as too critical or nit-picky because I've very much been enjoying your blog.<br /><br />And I appreciate you taking the time to do some research to either dispute or confirm what I was saying – I'm not sure many people would have made the effort.KATnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-65612332364036053052014-02-07T23:17:30.542-06:002014-02-07T23:17:30.542-06:00Oops. I think you just outed me. I totally overst...Oops. I think you just outed me. I totally overstated the case on this one. <br /><br />I was born in the late 70s so my memory only starts around around the early 80s. Donahue's arguably the most longest-running and most famous tabloid talk show, and he first aired in 1970. There were shows before him that did indeed take on taboo topics, but I can find no evidence that child sexual abuse was among those topics (their topics tended to be more like "Homosexuality: Does It Exist?" and "Sex Reassignments: Some People Have Them." Man, we were so innocent before Geraldo).<br /><br />The national conversation about child abuse probably started in 1962, when for the first time federal funding was granted for Child Protective Services, marking the first time the government formally acknowledged that yes, this was a problem. Around the same time, child abuse was also an issue taken up by the women's rights movements and a number of the psychology journals, to the effect that by 1967, every state had enacted mandatory reporting laws. When the mandatory reporting came in, the number of reported cases spiked. I suppose that by the late 70s and especially the early-to-mid 80s, the culture was saturated by enough evidence that yes, this was happening, that abuse victims began to feel safe enough to give personal accounts--but most of these accounts were written, not broadcast. <br /><br />Long story short: while the topic of incest was definitely A Thing by the late 1970s, I can find no evidence to back up my statement that it was a matter for talk shows until at least 1986. I jumped the gun on that statement, and I'm legitimately sorry for any confusion. <br /><br />I'm going to append this reply to the post above to clear up any confusion in the future, as this is a subject that is very important to me and I don't want to be responsible for any kind of misinformation. Thanks for pointing this out, so I can fix it!The Fifth Dollangangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12592567828587739373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-23873785359323467842014-02-07T20:49:01.035-06:002014-02-07T20:49:01.035-06:00You stated: “During the late 70s, victims of abuse...You stated: “During the late 70s, victims of abuse, of incest, of rape, came forward with increasing regularity to tell their stories in books and on the then-new and wildly popular "tabloid" talk shows.”<br /><br />I'm not remembering any “tabloid-type” talk shows that were on in the late 1970's. Would you name a few? (Donahue had a talk show, but I don't think he or anyone else would have considered it “tabloid,” at least not in those earlier years.) My memories of the first sensationalistic-type talk shows are from the mid to late eighties.<br /><br />The first time I remember incest being talked about publicly and on a national scale is with the premier of a made-for-t.v. movie called Something About Amelia, which aired in 1984.<br /><br />In other words, I'm not so sure that incest was so topical in the late seventies. However, I was still a child so it's possible that certain things were being talked about in the media that I was simply not aware of.KATnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-61712153889745797242014-01-14T17:42:21.132-06:002014-01-14T17:42:21.132-06:00Nah, I think that's normal. There's been ...Nah, I think that's normal. There's been more than a few times when I've written a quote on this blog, then checked the book and found it's spot-on correct.The Fifth Dollangangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12592567828587739373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-71257218499920826922014-01-14T17:34:37.865-06:002014-01-14T17:34:37.865-06:00Yup, the Garden of Shadows audio was from a casset...Yup, the Garden of Shadows audio was from a cassette & sounded like crap BUT thankfully I read those books so much as a teen, I found myself saying it along in my head! Does that make sense??Manda Malicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12498835082564754683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-34326844469439161292014-01-09T21:18:49.450-06:002014-01-09T21:18:49.450-06:00Good news on the missing pages: look up GoS on Ama...Good news on the missing pages: look up GoS on Amazon, Look Inside, then "search inside this book" for "69". Both your missing pages are available.<br /><br />It is really hard to find Andrews audiobooks. It looks as if lot of the earlier books (except for Flowers) were only ever put out in cassette form. I'm kind of hoping that the upcoming movie might bring about a resurgence of interest and make Audible or somebody fix that, but until then, the only place to find them is through torrenting services of dubious legality. They're mostly MP3s of the old cassette audiobooks, but they have the advantage of *existing* (and not being $500, as the current audio of Heaven is on Amazon). Good luck hunting!The Fifth Dollangangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12592567828587739373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-4781626266843142872014-01-09T19:01:13.039-06:002014-01-09T19:01:13.039-06:00UGH! That should be 69 to 70 *Faceplam* Just two p...UGH! That should be 69 to 70 *Faceplam* Just two pages and those pages are missing from Google Books too! I was listen to the Dollanganger series on audio to save time and heart ache (Hurricane Ike took our roof and most of my stuff. The books that survived are still packed up and I'm not sure if those books made it) For some reason the old recording was all jacked up when Olivia goes in the attic for the first time. So I read that chapter on Google BUT those two pages are not available. I just wanted to get ready for the movie, but now I hooked again :P I'm trying to find the Casteel series on audio cause I really enjoyed being able to "read" while doing house work! Manda Malicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12498835082564754683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-42524611771979237182014-01-08T15:54:52.859-06:002014-01-08T15:54:52.859-06:00Really? That's really strange. Is it missing...Really? That's really strange. Is it missing twenty whole pages or just page 70 and page 90? On the plus side, I think Google Books can help you out. http://books.google.com/books?id=S6ORyOAbA98C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Garden+of+Shadows+vc+andrews&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7MjNUrSPPMaQ2QXKuIGYBw&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Garden%20of%20Shadows%20vc%20andrews&f=false<br /><br />(I also have a mobi of GoS, if you have a Kindle or an e-reader.)The Fifth Dollangangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12592567828587739373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6729079418464191535.post-61700614127244116192014-01-08T15:00:18.973-06:002014-01-08T15:00:18.973-06:00I found your blog by searching "Garden of Sha...I found your blog by searching "Garden of Shadows page 90 and 70" cause those were the pages missing from my book :PManda Malicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12498835082564754683noreply@blogger.com